[fazzioo]

A'Salaamulakum,

Can someone tell me if Balsamic Vinegar is haram or halal??

thanks

[myriam]

wa alaykum Salaam Brother

as of my knowledge balsamic vinegar contains wine which makes it haram. I last checked a few years back and got it confirmed from a friend a few weeks ago who checked the ingredients...

did you check the ingredients?

massalaam

[The Wise Man]

[fazzioo]

[myriam]

lol I know I get that a lot, best thing to do is see which one you want call the company who's number is on the item and have them given proof in written form.. if not written then email if possible..

you can't really rely on people anyway if you eat haram it does harm to you no matter who may has said it is not.. know what I mean?

may Allah reward your effort
and Allah knows best

your sis in Islam

[Kamaljit Ballrash]

Don't you think you're making rather a fuss about trace alcohols? The body manufactures it naturally anyway. Surely, the point about all this is not the alcohol itself, but the drinking to intoxication and the behaviour that follows it? How is a little bit of vinegar on your chips going to cause you to be distracted from worshipping Allah?

[bootlui]

If the alcohol in the vinegar is the type that in a larger amount can make you drunk then the vinegar is haram. I understand what you are saying but we as muslims believe that something is haram whether in a small of large amount. Its more the principle that you draw the line clearly that no aclohol whatsoever is allowed the minute you say well its only a trace amount you will then have people who say well i can drink a little bit of wine without getting drunk to people saying well if i go out on a night out and drink a bit my friends will make sure i don't do anything stupid to a whats wrong with drinking attitude

[Kamaljit Ballrash]

[ayesha.ansari]

To Understand Vinegar Halal or Haram

Vinegar has been known for centuries. It is simply a dilute solution of water and acetic acid that contains coloring and flavoring agents in very small quantities from source of raw material. A typical distilled vinegar contains 95% of water and rest is acetic acid , minor constituents.

It is made by two successive microbial processes,

first being an alcoholic fermentation effected by yeasts and the
second an oxidation of alcohol by Acetobacter, a genus of aerobic bacteria.

U.S. Food and Drug Administration regulation states that the unmodified name vinegar apply only to the product derived from apples and that this product contain not less than 4 g of acetic acid in 100 ml of vinegar.

Vinegar also contains small quantities of ash, sugars, phosphoric acid, alcohol, and glycerol.

Vinegar is made by two process;

The packed generator; and
Submerged fermentation system.


Air is used in both process.


Fermentation :

The fermentation of sugar into alcohol (ethanol) and which comprises the first step in manufacturing of vinegar using the yeast Saccharomyces sp, which proceeds as follow:

C6H12O6 -------> 2C2H5OH + 2CO2 (sugar source) (Ethyl Alcohol) (Carbon Dioxide)

The second fermentation step requires the microorganism acetobacter (Bacterium aceti) and oxygen as indicated below:

2C2H5OH + 2O2 ---------> 2CH3COOH + 2H2O (Ethyl Alcohol) (Oxygen) (Acetic Acid) (Water)



FYI
Malt vinegar is used extensively in Britain, and wine vinegar in continental Europe.
Distilled white vinegar and cider vinegar is preferred in USA and Canada.


Types of Vinegar:

There are six type vinegar is used throughout the world.

Distilled White or Grain or Spirit Vinegar: It is produced from the natural fermentation of dilute alcohol to vinegar. The vinegar is filtered and contains Natural mellow aroma.
Apple Cider Vinegar: It is produced from unprocessed apple juice and vinegar retains its natural amber color and fruity flavor.
Wine Vinegar: Wine vinegar is produced from Burgandy wine and other wines.It retains a ruby color and wine like flavor. It is used in Oil-Vinegar Dressing and gourmet cooking and condiments.
Corn (Maize) Sugar Vinegar: This type of vinegar is produced from corn sugar. Sugar is first converted to alcohol then alcohol is converted to acetic acid and water. It is also a amber color vinegar.
Malt Vinegar: Malt vinegar is produced from the fermentation of malt to alcohol and then it is converted to vinegar.
Specialty Vinegar such as Balsamic Vinegar: Balsamic vinegar is produced in Modena Italy from white and sugary Trebbiano grapes with special labor intensive method to special flavor and aroma There is possibility of left over wine in this vinegar.


Halal Status of vinegar:
There is a different of opinion among Hanafi and Shafi fiqa schools regarding vinegar.
There is also different of opinion among Islamic Scholars regarding wine vinegar. Since there is possibility of wine being not 100% converted to acetic acid and water. There is left over wine in the wine vinegar, we consider wine vinegar not a Halal vinegar. We recommend distilled white vinegar because it is made from dilute alcohol. Please consult your sheik or Imam on this topic.
Hope it will help you

[Kamaljit Ballrash]

As we can see clearly, from the post above, alcohol can be measured and quantified as 'harmful' or not, through scientific means.

The rest is just an opinion. Hallal is an opinion. Nothing more.

[mmolly19]

I think there is alcahol in it. So its haram.

[Anish]

I saw some interesting details about this topic , Please check http://alim.org/library/hadith/fiq/FQS/1/12

According to most scholars, alcohol is impure. Says Allah in the Qur'an, "Alcohol, games of chance, idols and divining arrows are only an infamy of Satan's handiwork." Some scholars say that it is pure, for they take the meaning of rajis in its abstract sense as describing alcohol and whatever is related to it. This is not labeled as impure in a definite, sensory way. Says Allah, "Stay away from the impurities of idols." Idols are impure in the abstract sense, and they are considered impure if one touches them. The explanation of the preceding verse is that they are a tool of Satan, for they cause enmity and hatred and keep people away from the remembrance of Allah and pra.yer. In Subul as-Salaam it says, "Their origin is pure and their being prohibited does not mean that the object itself is impure. For example, hashish is prohibited but it is pure. But, something impure is not necessarily prohibited. Every impure thing is prohibited, but not vice-versa. That is because of the ruling that something impure cannot be touched under any circumstances. If a ruling says that something is impure, it is also prohibited. This differs from a ruling that something is prohibited. For example, it is forbidden to wear silk and gold, but they are absolutely pure by consensus." If one understands that, then the prohibition of alcohol does not necessarily entail its also being considered impure: it needs some other evidence to prove that it is impure. If not, then we are left with the original position that it is pure. If one claims other than that, he must substantiate it.

[abbasahmed]

As Salam u Alaikum,

Why do we have to be fussy about what kind of vinegar we'll consume? Rasool Allah didn't mention a specific type of vinegar in these Hadith.

Sahih Muslim Volume 23, chapter 28

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[Khurram]